In article <3j56g3$oc6 at gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
mathog at seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu writes:
>In article <3j0qqc$8rc at news.doit.wisc.edu>,
>Michael Kloth <mtkloth at students.wisc.edu> writes:
>>gold at astro.ocis.temple.edu (Bert Gold) wrote:
>>>>>> One of the universities where I work has decided to charge $ 100 per
>>> person per month for mainframe access.
>>This is very misleading. They may not bill for direct usage, but they most
>definitely are charging someone, somewhere, for this facility. Most likely
>it is supported by a combination of University overhead charges against
>research grants and charges against students' tuition.
Since this is probably true at all sites, it seems very restrictive to charge
the user $100/person/month in addition for access to a necessary resource.
>>Academic computer facility users have an annoying habit of assuming that
>[snip] there are no significant costs involved in providing these services.
Not those of us who use our internal computer facilities as well as those
>>So, here is a short list of what your local computer support people do for
That's why we pay them the big money.
>>1. Purchase, install and maintain the hardware that makes up your
> local networks.
With our grant money, in many cases.
>7. (some sites) Computer hardware/software sales and support at prices
> lower than general market rates.
Well, they *did* turn me on to "Computer Shopper"
>>8. Purchase, install, and maintain shared hardware. (Generally
> Unix or VMS machines, but also sometimes PCs and Macs.)
Again, with our grant money.
>I've left a bunch of stuff off and been overly general in others. Note
>also that a lot of the PC/Mac freeware/shareware was developed by the
>people who run these sorts of facilities!
Yes, and I, for one am grateful.
>>The bottom line: equipment and services cost real money.
>True, but is that any reason for anyone to be greedy? A previous post suggest-
ed that internet access was available from commercial companies for less, and
these companies do not get indirect costs from our grants. You have a real
point that the benefits some of us get may not be fully appreciated, but there
is no reason (except that universities everywhere are in desperate need of $)
to try to gouge internet users.