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I forget to mention that Umbilicus rupestris is a member of the stonecrop family, the Crassulaceae. Regards, Roger - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Roger Whitehead, 14 Amy Road, Oxted, Surrey RH8 0PX, England (Tel +44 (0)1883 713074; fax +44 (0)1883 716793)